LMB Quote Game

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"You're on your own now, boy,"

Who says this to whom in which story/book?

optional bonus question for 1/2 sherlock:
Where exactly is this said?
Added note: I mean the geo- or astrographical location.

Hint #1:
Miles has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
That narrows it down quite a lot, I think, considering that eliminating all chapters/paragraphs about Miles halves your search volume.

Hint #1A: Actually an answer to Voralfred's question
It was said in the Nexus, which eliminates the Chalion and TSK worlds, and Renaissance Earth. Also not on Kibou-Daini I assume, unless the exact same sentence appears in Cryoburn too.
One quarter the volume.

Hint #2:
I'll narrow it down to roughly one eighth. The person speaking is male.
This statement does not exclude Betan herms, but it does exclude Cetagandan Ba and TSK's mudmen and maybe some of Ryoval's creatures.

Hint #3:
It was said downside, not in a space station or a ship or the void.

Hint #4:
It was said to a dumb person, in the sense of "unable to speak".

[voralfred]

Why do I have the feeling it was actually told to an animal, rather than a human?

Piotr to a newborn colt, in _Barrayar_ (on Barrayar)?

[voralfred]

(...)

I found no nice german word to couple with "Hoch" ("Nider" really did not sound and look OK).

We all are eternally grateful that you didn't think of the Dutch words "Hoog" and "Laag".
That would have been droll instead of subtle.

OTOH, if ever you wish to translate a non-English (French) word into a non-French non-English word, let me know. I may be able to suggest a Dutch, German, Spanish or South African word.

P.S. Is translating your second day job?

"Hoog" yes, but one should mispell "Laag" (I assume this is the correct spelling) "Lag"? I thought of "Nider" since the correct german is "Nieder"

As about translating being my second job: you joined long after me, so you weren't there when I introduced myself. I have actually corrected (not translated, just corrected) the translations of 3 and 1/3 of LMB's books for J'Ai Lu, namely _Cetaganda_, _Memory_, _Komarr_ and just _MoM_ in the collection _BoI_ (thus not the novella _BoI_ itself). It was a frustrating enterprise. The editor whom I was working with either resigned or was kicked out between _Komarr_ and _CC_, and since the translator did not like my corrections but the new editor wanted to keep him that was the end of my stint with them. I must say that I was myself extremly angry when a copy-editor reversed some of my corrections (the most enfuriating was the re-insertion of the comma in "Choisis Elli") and though it was a great pleasure to work with LMB (since I asked her for instructions whenever I had a doubt) the way they disregarded the efforts I did to improve their translation left me a rather bitter taste.
See one of my very first posts here.

I never translated nor corrected anything else. But my first contact with J'Ai Lu was a few years before I corrected _Cetaganda_ for them; I wrote to them to signal them tat their trnaslation of Asimov's _The Naked Sun_ lacked a few absolutely crucial pages.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"You're on your own now, boy,"

Who says this to whom in which story/book?

optional bonus question for 1/2 sherlock:
Where exactly is this said?
Added note: I mean the geo- or astrographical location.

Hint #1:
Miles has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
That narrows it down quite a lot, I think, considering that eliminating all chapters/paragraphs about Miles halves your search volume.

Hint #1A: Actually an answer to Voralfred's question
It was said in the Nexus, which eliminates the Chalion and TSK worlds, and Renaissance Earth. Also not on Kibou-Daini I assume, unless the exact same sentence appears in Cryoburn too.
One quarter the volume.

Hint #2:
I'll narrow it down to roughly one eighth. The person speaking is male.
This statement does not exclude Betan herms, but it does exclude Cetagandan Ba and TSK's mudmen and maybe some of Ryoval's creatures.

Hint #3:
It was said downside, not in a space station or a ship or the void.

Hint #4:
It was said to a dumb person, in the sense of "unable to speak".

Hint #5:
In my view of The Wormhole Nexus, "person" is strictly limited to living human beings. Is that a Cordelian point-of-view?
During a particular stage in life, all persons, without any exception, experience a quite normal inability to speak.

[voralfred]

Well, I did think about a human baby, but I did not find the line near Ivan's birth, and, what other boy is born? Aral the younger (together with his sister), but Miles is around when they are extracted from the replicators.
What other boy is born?

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"You're on your own now, boy,"

Who says this to whom in which story/book?

optional bonus question for 1/2 sherlock:
Where exactly is this said?
Added note: I mean the geo- or astrographical location.

Hint #1:
Miles has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
That narrows it down quite a lot, I think, considering that eliminating all chapters/paragraphs about Miles halves your search volume.

Hint #1A: Actually an answer to Voralfred's question
It was said in the Nexus, which eliminates the Chalion and TSK worlds, and Renaissance Earth. Also not on Kibou-Daini I assume, unless the exact same sentence appears in Cryoburn too.
One quarter the volume.

Hint #2:
I'll narrow it down to roughly one eighth. The person speaking is male.
This statement does not exclude Betan herms, but it does exclude Cetagandan Ba and TSK's mudmen and maybe some of Ryoval's creatures.

Hint #3:
It was said downside, not in a space station or a ship or the void.

Hint #4:
It was said to a dumb person, in the sense of "unable to speak".

Hint #5:
In my view of The Wormhole Nexus, "person" is strictly limited to living human beings. Is that a Cordelian point-of-view?
During a particular stage in life, all persons, without any exception, experience a quite normal inability to speak.

Hint #6:
The sentence in question was spoken in a maternity ward ..., well, not exactly that, but sort of anyway.

This was the last and final hint. From now on, you're on your own. But you may ask leading questions, of course.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"You're on your own now, boy,"

Who says this to whom in which story/book?

optional bonus question for 1/2 sherlock:
Where exactly is this said?
Added note: I mean the geo- or astrographical location the name of the building.

OH all right!
Though I've given enough hints to make un an educated guess, especially hint #6, I'll give you one more.
The quote can be found within the first two pages of the story/book. Look for the equivalent of a midwifery clinic.

OTOH, I made the hurdle for the bonus question a little more demanding.

Edit: spelling correction

[Caroline Tredez]

Say, Ethan of Athos delivering a baby from his uterine replicator on Athos ?

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

Say, Ethan of Athos delivering a baby from his uterine replicator on Athos ?

YES! Exactly (and finally).

Now if you can state the Athosian's official name for the building, you get the 1/2 sherlock bonus on top.

Anyway, the next quote to be searched for, is yours.

P.S. If you, Caroline, want a baby, that I can arrange too, but it'll take some more effort and patience.

[voralfred]

Φοβοῦ τοὺς Bαταβοὺς καὶ δῶρα φέροντας
"Fear the (Belgians of the tribe) "Batavi" (who lived at that time around where was to become Antwerp) even when they bring you gifts"
as Homer originally said, before some malicious copy-editor changed Bαταβοὺς to Δαναοὺς (Greeks), and long before Virgil mistranslated it even worse.

Maternity ward, midwifery clinic... Your hints were leading in the opposite direction! How can one think of Athos with all these misleading hints! Fortunately Caroline evaded your tricks! Good for you, Caroline!


Incidentally, I disagree with EPS's analysis: the Athosians might have accepted cetagandan Ba, and perhaps even mudmen made from male animals (maybe they might insist that the Malice who created them was also male, if that makes sense), but they would not accept herms. The non-female character is more important than the presence of the male characteristic, if what you are afraid of is the irresistible attraction of women.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"Fear the (Belgians of the tribe) "Batavi" (who lived at that time around where was to become Antwerp) even when they bring you gifts" as Homer originally said, before some malicious copy-editor changed Bαταβοὺς to Δαναοὺς (Greeks)

Ah, but the Old Batavians didn't offer a wooden horse. Their gifts were casks of Sour Cherry Mead, very tasty but also very inebriating.

Whereas a notoriously recalcitrant Gaulish tribe used a potent roborant of secret recipe to make themselves stronger and thus resist conquerors, my ancestors weakened their opponents, the Roman, Frankish, Norse, Burgundian, Spanish, Austrian, French, Dutch and German invaders, by drinking them under the table.

The Sour Cherry Mead is now called Kriek. Because of the lack of opponents after WWII, the modern Batavian (Antwerpian) occasionally drinks himself under the table.

[voralfred]

Off topic, but:
I just read a detective story ("Meurtres pour Mémoire")
At some point in the story, the french detective travels to Brussels to get some information. He was indeed treated with sour cherry mead, a.ka. kriek. Not only was he inebriated, but on his return trip, he understood why the emblem of this city is a particular small character. Fortunately, he was not driving but riding the train, so he did not have to stop very few kilometers!

Back to topic: Caroline, I suppose you'd backtrack to where EPS confirmed you were right, but just in case you don't:
a) it's your turn
b) now that you found the right book, why don't you look up the exact place and get your bonus?
c) I am sure there are enough handsome men in France for you to ignore the proposition of this lecherous Flemish

Off-topic again
Speaking of Flemish-Dutch-Afrikaans, I had noticed Vorparadijs, of course, but I did not realize till now Vorthys had the same origin. One should also mention Vorruyter, possibly a family stemming from "the most famous and one of the most skilled admirals in Dutch history"

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

The origin of Paradijs is quite obvious. But for the origin of Thys, also spelled Thijs, I had to search; it appears to be short for Matthijs or Mattheus, meaning Gift of God.

Ruyter, meaning rider or horseman, is of course Dutch, but I can't remember reading Vorruyter in the Saga, unless it was a typo.

But Ges Vorrutyer's ancestor's name, Rutyer, may be an alternate spelling of Rutger, which is a Dutch male first name, derived from the Germanic compound Hrôth-Gêr.

Or maybe LMB herself wrote a typo, intending to write Vorruyter in the first place.

Back to topic: Caroline? Your turn!
(Is that derived from this famous name? )

[voralfred]

I must be dyslexic, in additio nt om ywel-lknow nlysdexia.
Even after you wrote explicitly the two names, Ruyter and Rutyer, it took me several minutes to understand what you were talking about, as I could not see at first the difference!
A Google research for pages in dutch only, with Rutyer instead of Ruyter leads to 156 pages (140000 for Ruyter), many of them are obvious misprints since they are precisely about the admiral. Whether any person mentioned on these pages is actually called Rutyer or whether all these pages contain typos is unclear.

[Caroline Tredez]

Next quote :

This is as far as you go.

Too bad for you, just now I'm (again) between movings and far, far away from most of my dear books, so I just grabed the one I have and picked a line from a random page.

I like this word, in fact : "lecherous". It sounds kinder than its translation in french.

[Caroline Tredez]

Ok, slightly more :

"All right. This is as far as you go. We don't both need to be in here for this. [...] "

Who are "you" and "we", where is "here", what is "this" ?

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

Five days having gone by since Caroline's newest task, I assume that I may now attempt an answer. If not, please feel free to fulgurate me.

"All right. This is as far as you go. We don't both need to be in here for this. [...] "

Could it be Dag saying this to Fawn before he entered the cave of the renegade lakewalker-turned-bandit to vanquish him?

[Caroline Tredez]

Not even close ^^.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"All right. This is as far as you go. We don't both need to be in here for this. [...] "

Could it be Dag saying this to Fawn before he entered the cave of the renegade lakewalker-turned-bandit to vanquish him?

Not even close ^^.

Any wrong guess clears an obstacle from the field, so ...

Was it Arkady who said this to Dag, when he was about to perform some groundwork on a patient?

[Caroline Tredez]

No it wasn't. It's not in the book with Arkady.

[voralfred]

Five days having gone by since Caroline's newest task, I assume that I may now attempt an answer. If not, please feel free to fulgurate me.

"All right. This is as far as you go. We don't both need to be in here for this. [...] "

Could it be Dag saying this to Fawn before he entered the cave of the renegade lakewalker-turned-bandit to vanquish him?

(bold was EPS's but gun, size and color are mine)

It is very nice to criticize physicists and other mathematically/scientifically oriented people, but if Friday is the fifth day after Monday, only four days had elapsed...

and I did not even notice it at that time
/me


I also have no idea where the quote is from

[SPetty]

Possibly Miles to Roic in Diplomatic Immunity in the med lab when they're setting Bel up after finding it on the Idris? I recall it being fairly tight in the medical facilities aboard the ship.

As an, off the top of my head, crap-shoot guess, by the way. I haven't looked anything up.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

... fulgurate me (EPS). ...

Okay. Consider me suitably chastised. Though I wish you had aimed a little higher, now I have to sit on it.

"All right. This is as far as you go. We don't both need to be in here for this. [...]"

I've been trying to remember a situation where the protagonist is about to enter a dangerous place, risking life and limb of his companion.

1. I'll start with a somewhat milder but embarassingly indecent exposure, though still dangerous enough:
It could be Miles saying this to Suegar before entering for the first time the women's enclave in the POW camp on Dagoola. Just before Miles, in the buff, performs his elegant greeting and Cyrano-style hat-waving.

2. Another potentially dangerous situation is:
Miles is ready to dump Bel in the ice bath. He tells Roic not to follow into the Idris' infirmary, because of a risk of contamination. (SPetty thought of it while I was composing my post).

3. Then there is also pure discretion: When Ingrey starts his crime scene investigation, he tells the castle warden not to enter the slain prince's room.

[SPetty]

I skimmed the area where I thought the quote might be, and I didn't see it.

Maybe Miles talking to Taura in Labyrinth, trying to get out of Ryovel's basement?

[voralfred]

I skimmed the area where I thought the quote might be, and I didn't see it.

(....)

What do you mean, you did not see it? I did not guess it myself, but after you did, I went to that place. Of course it is there, in Chapter 14!
EPS also guessed it (he was composing his post when you posted, but accordig to the rules, the only proof of priority is the post itself). After you both posted, I went to the place and checked it, it is indeed when Miles and Roic are taking Bel to the Idris' infirmary.
Normally one should wait for Caroline to give the OK, but she explained she is moving again and probably has a hard time coming to check. I am sure she won't be offended if I give you the OK for the next quote, she'll update the sherlocks when she has a chance.
Post us a new quote, Suzette, you really were right about Bel in the Idris.