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voralfred wrote:But no ! I did not find it!
It was my interpretation of Suzette's "stirring the pot". She had offered three choisces, I did not identify the first one (Illvin's apricot, or Arhys's almond tree, from her latest post) but from Suzette's early post I understood her second choice as sugar maple trees in general, interfering with the amnesiac's identification with either Admiral Naismith or the Komarran-created clone, and her third choice as Fawn fleeing from Dag. But I did not think about it by myself, it was Suzette's idea I had commented upon. Then I suggested my own idea, Ethan's lightflyer in an oak tree. So Suzette is the winner.
Okay.
But she still has to cross the i's and dot the t's ... erm ... you know what I mean. :twisted:

So, to repeat, for nitpicking's sake:
One particular tree played a minor part in XXX's life. Was it a Tuscan Oak, Ibran Pine, blighted Ash, Dendarii Maple or what?
What kind of tree was it?
XXX?
Could an other, even different tree have served just as well? Yes or no, and why?
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Yes, but it was still within my 5 day wait period. I was specifically posting hints to see if someone else would get it.

And as I said, I'm going to be away for a week or so, so I don't want to post the new quote.
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OK, OK so here are

a) all the I crossed, and all the T dotted (anyway you can't dot an I unless you are writing in turkish, nor cross a T. In "Brave New Word" where modern technology and consumerism, in particular cars, and especially Ford's "Model T", has become the new official religion, an important landmark in London was renamed "Charing T").
- book = Beguilement
- XXX =Fawn
- an apple tree
- since the point was to climb up the tree and hide, that particular one was better than most since it had some boards nailed to it forming a kind of ladder. But Fawn being a country girl could probably climb on any tree provided its lowest branches are within reach.

b) the next quote:
(...) . . . rage, and outrage . . . and a vast regret, infinitesimal in duration, infinite in depth.
Wait, I haven't—
The meaning of "(...)", that I have introduced, is that this quote is taken in the middle of a sentence. That is, "(...)" represents what comes before.
The two occurrences of " . . . " out of parentheses are in the original text. I start the quote by one such series of three dots.

Book?
Who feels "rage and outrage"?
What is going on, here?
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(...) . . . rage, and outrage . . . and a vast regret, infinitesimal in duration, infinite in depth.
Wait, I haven't—

Those are Miles's last thoughts upon dying at Baraputhra's in Mirror Dance.
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Exact!
One sherlock and the next quote is yours!
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Next one picked the easiest way : random book, random page, random line.
"It was glorious. For a little while. And then I realized I couldn't, like, perform."
Who's talking, to who, which "performance" was impossible, and why, in which book ?
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Caroline Tredez wrote:
"It was glorious. For a little while. And then I realized I couldn't, like, perform."
Who's talking, to who, which "performance" was impossible, and why, in which book ?
At first I thought of brother Mark and the top-heavy blonde. But then it hit me like Martya with a brick.

In Cetaganda, the party at the house of Yenaro:
With a slurring tongue, Ivan told Miles that the two lovely Cetagandan ladies had taken him to an upstairs room. And that he then, to his immense humiliation and regret, remained impotent. He suspected that, earlier in the evening, someone had spiked his drink with an erectile suppressant.

Ivan's reputation wasn't impaired though. He became quite popular afterwards.
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Got it in one ^^. The floor is yours.
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Which of these names/qualifiers do NOT belong in the Vorkosigan Universe?

Aslunder
Athosian
Barrayaran
British
Cetagandan
Cylon
Escobarran
Fleming
Illyrian
Jacksonian
Jinxian
Komarran
Kshahtryan
Marilacan
Minbari
Orbanian
Polian
Quaddie
Sauron
Sebacean
Trantorian

If there are no objections, I shall reward each correct answer (there are more than 1) with 1/2 point.

+ an additional bonus for 1/2 point:
Which name/qualifier is the same in the Nexus and in a totally different universe NOT imagined by LMB?
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I am playing only for the bonus.
Kshatrya (slightly different spelling than yours but I assume it is a misprint) does exist in the Vorkosiverse: it is the name of a distant planet whose inhabitants (Khastryan) are very appreciated mercenaries.
But LMB did not coin this word. It exists on "our" Earth, it is one of the four main Hindu castes. It is in fact the warrior caste (so the Vors are essentially Kshatryans, really... LOL) So many others could have used it in either the original "terrestrial" meaning or in some invented one. For instance in "Reamde" by Neal Stephenson, there are real Hindus who are actual Kshatriyas and virtual elves called K’Shetriae in a massively shared computer game which is at the very the center of the plot. And I am sure there must be several other novels with Kshatriyas or Kshatryans of one kind or other, with slightly modified spellings.
I just Googled it. Besides Neal Stephenson, I found that books by Patrick L Deu Pree, and others by Jonah Lissner, for instance, use this word. And I am sure there are many more...

Incidentally, does the first correct answer to the main question (not the bonus, in any case) give the right to ask the next quote? Or the last one? Or the first time a player gives at least two correct answers?
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voralfred wrote:... Kshatrya (slightly different spelling than yours but I assume it is a misprint) does exist in the Vorkosiverse ...
...
Incidentally, does the first correct answer to the main question (not the bonus, in any case) give the right to ask the next quote? Or the last one? Or the first time a player gives at least two correct answers?
(1) In the Cryoburn CD it appears as Kshatryan. Somewhere I must have picked up Kshahtryan and repeated it here. Sorry.

Let us consider the Cryoburn CD as the authoritative source. So only the exact same spelling, Kshatryan, in a different universe earns the bonus half point. Different spellings like Kshatriyan do not count. Okay?

(2) To keep it simple: The first correct answer to the main question inherits the next quote, but does not preclude additional correct answers by the same or other members.
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E Pericoloso Sporgersi wrote:(...)
(1) In the Cryoburn CD it appears as Kshatryan. Somewhere I must have picked up Kshahtryan and repeated it here. Sorry.

Let us consider the Cryoburn CD as the authoritative source. So only the exact same spelling, Kshatryan, in a different universe earns the bonus half point. Different spellings like Kshatriyan do not count. Okay?

You are asking for a book, besides those in Vorkosiverse, where the word Kshatryan actually appears with exactly this spelling, that is
a) without an "I" before the "Y"
b) as an adjective obtained by adding "N" at the end of a supposed name (or noun) that would be Kshatrya, when on our Earth Kshatriya (usually spelled with the "I") is already the adjective describing the people belonging to the warrior caste

There are SF books where Kshatriyan is an adjective for the name Kshatriya, the latter being some geographical/political entity: b) holds but not a)
There are nonfiction books, on the topic of the Hindu warrior caste, that use the less frequent but not completely absent form Kshatrya, without "I", but where the adjective has no "N" at the end : a) holds but not b)

I did not find any case of both a) and b).
Do you actually know of another book where both a) and b) hold, or are you asking out in the blue?
If the latter, were you expecting some completely different other answer for the bonus than the one relating to Kshatrya and variants thereof?
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Actually I wasn't aiming for Kshatryan at all. I suggest you drop nitpicking about it. My bonus-question is much more straightforward.

Hint 1: Not all the names do necessarily appear in books, but they all have been imagined/coined by writers for stories in different media (except British and Fleming which have historic origins).

Hint for the bonus: Any connection with Alexandre Dumas is entirely coincidental.

As a refresher:
Which of these names/qualifiers do NOT belong in the Vorkosigan Universe?

Aslunder
Athosian
Barrayaran
British
Cetagandan
Cylon
Escobarran
Fleming
Illyrian
Jacksonian
Jinxian
Komarran
Kshahtryan
Marilacan
Minbari
Orbanian
Polian
Quaddie
Sauron
Sebacean
Trantorian

If there are no objections, I shall reward each correct answer (there are more than 1) with 1/2 point.

+ an additional bonus for 1/2 point:
Which name/qualifier is the same in the Nexus and in a totally different universe NOT imagined by LMB?
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E Pericoloso Sporgersi wrote:Actually I wasn't aiming for Kshatryan at all. I suggest you drop nitpicking about it. My bonus-question is much more straightforward.
(...)

Hint for the bonus: Any connection with Alexandre Dumas is entirely coincidental.
So you were not aiming at Kshatry- whatever at all!
I originally reacted to that one because of the deliberate similarity of the name of virtual elves in "Reamde" by Neal Stepehenson.

Well, Athos is also a real place on our Earth, a peninsula in Greece forbidden to women, just like the planet from which Dr Ethan Urquhart originated (besides being the name of one of the three Musketeers - BTW I am not sure it is so coincidental; Dumas' Athos having had a bad experience with his wife, the infamous Milady de Winter, has fallen into misogyny). I am not sure the monks who live in "our" Athos are ever called by the adjective "Athosian". But the name of any place that actually exists on Earth can be used in a SF/Fantasy Universe in a different context. So there is a good chance that Athosian is the adjective for inhabitants of not just one but possibly several "Athos" in various Universes. I don't have any familiarity with any of those, alas.
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voralfred wrote:So there is a good chance that Athosian is the adjective for inhabitants of not just one but possibly several "Athos" in various Universes. I don't have any familiarity with any of those, alas.
Yes. Athosian is the bonus answer.

In StarGate Atlantis (American SF TV series) the Athosians are a group people (from another extra-terrestrial planet) settling on a continent on the planet Atlantis.

BTW. I consider anything in our past and on present Earth implicitly inherent in the Vorkosigan universe, simply because Earth is a part of the Nexus.
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Anything definitely IN the Vorkosigan Universers and thus NOT part of the answer I put in small
Anything definitely NOT in the Vorkosigan Universers and thus PART of the answer I put in bold
Anything ambiguous I comment upon
E Pericoloso Sporgersi wrote:Which of these names/qualifiers do NOT belong in the Vorkosigan Universe?

Aslunder
Athosian
Barrayaran

British : well, EPS said that anything from our Earth is automatically part of Vorkosiverse.. But though "Brothers in Arms" takes place in London the word "british" never appears. By that time, the inhabitants of that area seem to have forgotten this name.
Cetagandan

Cylon

Escobarran
Fleming : well, in "Brothers in Arms" there is no explicit mention of flemings, but they have the "Unicorn and Lion Wild Animal Park (a division of GalacTech Bioengineering)" which seems to be some kind of zoo. Now, it stands to reason that among the exhibits there should be one of those magnificent long necked, long legged, pink african birds. If one species of bird should be preserved in such a zoo, alongside lions, it is the one.
Oh ? Not flemings? They are called flamingoes? Err mhh... So sorry... As a french speaker, I always have a lot of trouble telling flamants apart from Flamands...

Illyrian : there is in the Vorkosiverse a planet called Illyrica, adjective illyrican - this could be a misprint on the part of EPS; also Illyrians did exist in our distant past (since the Bronze Age and till the early Middle Ages, it would seem), and lived more or less in what used to be Yougoslavia and in Albania; so in both cases this does not count as part of the answer
Jacksonian

Jinxian

Komarran
Kshahtryan
Marilacan


Minbari
Orbanian


Polian
Quaddie


Sauron
Sebacean :
this is definitely NOT in Vorkosiverse, but for a while I wondered whether people (maybe not Cetagandan Hauts?) still had glands providing lubricant to hair; but these are sebaceous glands, not sebacean glands... :mrgreen:
Trantorian

(...)
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Cylon: Battlestar Galactica (TV series)
Jinxian: Known Space by Larry Niven
Minbari: Babylon 5 (TV series)
Orbanian: StarGate SG-1 (TV series)
Sauron: CoDominium Universe by Jerry Pournelle
Sebacean: Farscape (TV series)
Trantorian: Foundation & Robot Universe by Isaac Asimov

Illyrian: Star Trek (TV series)
Not a typo, a trap. But because I had no idea of the Balkanic Illyria, I fell in myself.
Fleming: ... As a french speaker, I always have a lot of trouble telling flamants apart from Flamands ...
Flamenco too can cause some confusion ...

This results in 3.5 points and the next quote/question to Voralfred.
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"What, the risk you run every day from lunatic assassins isn't enough thrill for you? You want more?"
Book ?
Who is "you" ?
Who is talking to "you" ?


Bonus :
What extra risk does "you" want to take ?
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Miles to Gregor somewhere in the beginning of "The Vor Game", I'd say. When Gregor is visiting him in the ImpSec building ? Gregor is complaining that Miles, at least, is allowed to risk his life (as he did during the creation of the Dendarii), while he, Gregor, has to stay safe. The only risks he's running are passive (being shot at), not active (like deliberately going into someone's line of fire).

PS : I can't remember if it's been asked already, but is "Captain Vorpatril's Alliance" fair game, now ?
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Caroline Tredez wrote:...I can't remember if it's been asked already, but is "Captain Vorpatril's Alliance" fair game, now ?
Ivan always is fair game, I'd say.
But I don't know about the book.
Do we wait 3 months or so after first publication date to avoid spoilers to slow readers?
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Caroline Tredez wrote:Miles to Gregor somewhere in the beginning of "The Vor Game", I'd say.
You do get the :sherlock: and the new quote, since book and both characters are right, and this is all I asked for in the main question but...
Caroline Tredez wrote: When Gregor is visiting him in the ImpSec building ? Gregor is complaining that Miles, at least, is allowed to risk his life (as he did during the creation of the Dendarii), while he, Gregor, has to stay safe. The only risks he's running are passive (being shot at), not active (like deliberately going into someone's line of fire).
...you don't get the extra 1/2 point since you give the wrong passage and though the risk is not completely off the mark, this is not the answer I was expecting for the bonus. Not nearly precise enough, let's say.
So the bonus is still pending.

Speaking of pending bonus, there are two 1/2 :sherlock: waiting: there are two pairs (maybe even three) of characters with the same first first name and the same last name (second first names do not count; these look like "middle names" in US custom but are really second first names, for instance young Aral Alexander Vorkosigan did make an acceptable pair with the late Count Aral Vorkosigan whose second first name is unknown, but probably not Alexander).
One such pair, found already by EPS is Pierre "Le Sanguinaire" Vorrutyer and his great-great-grand-son Count Pierre Vorrutyer "the youngest", Dono/Donna's brother, who died just before the beginning of "Civil Campaign" (note that by my definition Le Sanguinaire's grandson, Pierre the younger, contemporary of Piotr Vorkosigan, grandfather of Pierre the youngest, is not a character; we can infer his existence but there is absolutely no discussion of his life or actions).
There is another pair of Vorrutyers (well, one character and a half-character, in some sense - why a half? this is a hint...) with the same first name (not Pierre).
I said earlier that there is still another pair of characters, not Vorrutyers, with the same last name and who, we can safely assume, share the same first name.
Marginally, one could argue that by my definition of a "character", one could consider that yet another pair exists, composed of two characters (and who share the same last name as the second pair above), but we don't even know what their common (at least, we can safely assume it is common) first name is, so short the discussion of each of them is. But they are both discussed, so they count as characters, contrary to Pierre Vorrutyer "the younger" whose very existence is subject to (a very safe) assumption.
Caroline Tredez wrote: PS : I can't remember if it's been asked already, but is "Captain Vorpatril's Alliance" fair game, now ?
I'll put it to a vote. One negative answer by someone active here and we'll delay. When all people who are regularly active here agree, we'll call it fair game.
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Just ran across one of the bonuses in Ivan's book: Dono the architect who designed ImpSec, and Dono/Lady Donna Vorrutyer.

For the other bonus, I'd guess that the extra risk Gregor wanted to take was to go with the fleet for the battle against the Cetagandans, instead of doing diplomatic wrangling with Vervain. (Ok, I just looked it up. No guessing after all).
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I didn't check, so I'm not surprised to be partially wrong. So.

Here's the next one :
This might do something awful. But something awful was going to happen anyhow. XXX could not make things worse.
In my book, saying of something that it can't get worse is asking for trouble, but, oh well ^^. What is "this", what's the "something awful" which is going to happen, and who is thinking it ?
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SPetty wrote:Just ran across one of the bonuses in Ivan's book: Dono the architect who designed ImpSec, and Dono/Lady Donna Vorrutyer.

For the other bonus, I'd guess that the extra risk Gregor wanted to take was to go with the fleet for the battle against the Cetagandans, instead of doing diplomatic wrangling with Vervain. (Ok, I just looked it up. No guessing after all).
Correct on both counts. There are still two more pairs, both with the same last name, which is not Vorrutyer.

Back to the game :
Caroline Tredez wrote:I didn't check, so I'm not surprised to be partially wrong. So.

Here's the next one :
This might do something awful. But something awful was going to happen anyhow. XXX could not make things worse.
In my book, saying of something that it can't get worse is asking for trouble, but, oh well ^^. What is "this", what's the "something awful" which is going to happen, and who is thinking it ?
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I believe I know the answer, though I cannot check since my books are in total disarray (I managed to locate most of the Vorkosiverse books, but my guess is not among the books I did locate)
Also I think the five days exclusion are past...

OK, I'll wait one more day and then offer my guess (nd maybe I'll have a chance to check by then...)
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