LMB Quote Game

[SPetty]

Slight expansion:

"But when, how long, that's the question!"XXX argued. "All sorts of other things could happen before... then."

What book?
Who is speaking?
What's the question (paraphrased is fine)?

[voralfred]

A toughie!
Even with the longer form I have no idea.
I can't even guess which Universe it is (Voskosiverse? Chalion? TSK? I even consider _Spirit Ring_ ...)

Oh, well, I'll just think some more....

[SPetty]

Ok, a hint: it's not in the Vorkosigan Saga.

[SPetty]

Ok, another hint: XXX only appears in one book.

[SPetty]

One last extension and I think I'll declare it cold and put up a new one:

"But it's not a risk. It's a certainty. And YYY dies the same, and XXX is destroyed."
"But when, how long, that's the question!"XXX argued. "All sorts of other things could happen before... then."

What book?
Who is speaking?
What's the question (paraphrased is fine)?

[SPetty]

Ok, it's been a little over two weeks since I posted the quote, with no guesses whatsoever, so I'm going to declare it cold (Anyone can answer at any time for a Sherlock, but no longer gets to post the next quote, and no delay in answering, from what I remember).

New quote Is:

"I thought you said Xxx was the great seducer in the family." She tried to muster the energy to take her hand back again, and failed.

Which book?
Who is speaking?
Who is Xxx?

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

New quote Is:

"I thought you said Xxx was the great seducer in the family." She tried to muster the energy to take her hand back again, and failed.

Who is Xxx?

Well ... as a first step we can eliminate Taura. Right?

[SPetty]

Seems likely. Sure, why not?

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

New quote Is:

"I thought you said Xxx was the great seducer in the family." She tried to muster the energy to take her hand back again, and failed.

Which book?
Who is speaking?
Who is Xxx?

I beg pardon. An acute bout of omphaloskepsis muddled my thinking.
I meant to say that I don't see Taura as the one to have failed to "muster the energy to take her hand back again". Which is also beside the point of the quiz.
Moreover, even though she is a great seductress, Taura doesn't have any family left.
So anyway, scratch Taura, she has nothing to do with it.

More to the point, I'm now thinking of "The Spirit Ring":
Fiametta is speaking to Thur and sufficiently attracted to him to fail to retrieve her hand. She thought Thur had said that his brother Uri was the great seducer of the Ochs family.

P.S. Am I right in thinking that you tend to quiz about female heroines in non-Vorkosigan tales?
Not that I mind.
Natacha by François Walthéry is one of my favourite heroines (Lara Croft is another).



Natacha on Amazon.co.uk

I mostly prefer classical symphonic and big band music, but there are some pop music compositions about girls that I consider gems:
Suzy Q makes my feet want to dance.
This girl makes my heart melt. (Wait for the Beatles to take over)

[SPetty]

Hmm.... never noticed that tendency. I try hard to pick quotes that are more challenging (and Miles is too memorable sometimes). It's not Fiametta in Spirit Ring either. Keep looking.

[Caroline Tredez]

You picked another one from the same book, I think : Paladin of Souls. I like it very much, but I don't have it at hand to check, so it might be sketchy :
* Your first quote was about Arhys (XXX) and Illvin (YYY), if I remember correctly : Cattilara arguing with her husband (or maybe Ista with Arhys) about when to release the spell binding Arhys's soul to his body so that he may accomplish some last tasks.
* I'm surer about the second one (but still not 100% sure) : Ista and Illvin are talking to each other during the siege, last quarter of the book, both of them dead tired at the top of a tower. Ista is saying : "I though you said Arhys was the great seducer...", and Illvin retorts that's not true, Arhys never had to fight to get any women, they flew to him like a flock of bewitched birds. He's about to kiss the sweet Ista, that seducer...

[SPetty]

Correct on both counts, except for the identity of XXX and YYY in the first quote, though you mentioned both people involved in the quote in your guess, and all four are involved in the discussion. Since you have the circumstances (if not the exact identity of the characters) correct, I'm tending towards giving you the full sherlock for that one, and of course, it's your turn to post a new quote, as you got the details of the new quote exactly right.

Voralfred, do you think it's 1 1/2 or the full 2 Sherlocks?

My next hint on the old one was that it was from the same book as the new quote, but you didn't need it. Good work!

[Caroline Tredez]

Come on, I tried so hard to get my sherlock count back in the integers, one and half would have been more than sufficient ^^ Now I'll have to work hard for the next bonus...

So, next one :

"It's actually your fault [...]" "Oh? And me so... not there." XXX grinned. "When has that ever stopped anyone from blaming you? [...]"

Book, who's talking to who, and what is "your fault" ?

Bonus for a half point : find another instance of a discussion about shifting the blame to another innocent bystander, in another universe. (ok, I'll grant a full point if one points two such instances, but no more - I'm thinking about a precise one, here).

[voralfred]

Voralfred, do you think it's 1 1/2 or the full 2 Sherlocks?

Considering how hard the first quote is, I'd say two full

Come on, I tried so hard to get my sherlock count back in the integers, one and half would have been more than sufficient ^^ Now I'll have to work hard for the next bonus...

BTW, is it OK to answer the bonus first? (of course, not knowing the universe of the main quote, one might give an answer that fails on the "other universe" criterion, so if you reject it when it is a clear case of unfair "It's your fault", but not the right one, it would be a spoiler of which universe the original one is)

[Caroline Tredez]

is it OK to answer the bonus first?

Be my guest, my acceptance (or not) of your guess will be my first hint, then.

[voralfred]

Toward the end of _Memory_, Ivan belatedly realizes what is happening between his mother and Ilyan. He confronts Miles "It is your fault".. (but the remainder of the text does not fit the quote). Well, for once, Miles is an innocent bystander..

On the other hand "It is actually your fault" is so Ivan-like... it probably is in Vorkosiverse. But I just can't find the correct place.


Edit: of course, one should understand "Ivan-like" as an ellipse, not that usually Ivan complains of something being Miles' fauult, but Miles completely unjustly complaining that something is Ivan's fault. I have one such instance on the tip of my ... memory, but I just cannot remember where.

[SPetty]

There's the spot in ACC where Lord Dono says that the whole situation (with the sex change) is Ivan's fault for not thinking of proposing sooner. (Not related to the quote, or the bonus, I think, but possibly what Voralfred was thinking of.) It's not my turn for the quote yet, so I'm not looking for it.

[voralfred]

There's the spot in ACC where Lord Dono says that the whole situation (with the sex change) is Ivan's fault for not thinking of proposing sooner. (Not related to the quote, or the bonus, I think, but possibly what Voralfred was thinking of.) It's not my turn for the quote yet, so I'm not looking for it.

No, no. Had Ivan proposed earlier things might really have turned different. I am thinking of a case of Miles putting the blame on Ivan for something he had absolutely no influence on, just like Miles had nothing to do with Alys and Ilyan's affair, a totally out-of-the-blue gratuitous accusation.

Lest the question is getting too far up:

Come on, I tried so hard to get my sherlock count back in the integers, one and half would have been more than sufficient ^^ Now I'll have to work hard for the next bonus...

So, next one :

"It's actually your fault [...]" "Oh? And me so... not there." XXX grinned. "When has that ever stopped anyone from blaming you? [...]"

Book, who's talking to who, and what is "your fault" ?

Bonus for a half point : find another instance of a discussion about shifting the blame to another innocent bystander, in another universe. (ok, I'll grant a full point if one points two such instances, but no more - I'm thinking about a precise one, here).

[sarsaparilla]

My first thought for that one was in Cetaganda, where Miles tells Ivan that it's his fault that he got the Cetagandan Order of Merit, because if Ivan had given him TWO cups of coffee instead of one, he would have been able to think fast enough to duck.

[Caroline Tredez]

Ok, I hadn't realize there was so much blame-shifting going aroung in the Vorkosiverse, but rest assured : none of your instances fit. I'm talking, for the bonus, about a discussion about shifting the blame to someone who's not present, so I can't accept anything just like "it's your fault" (right or wrong) towards someone present.

[SPetty]

No, no. Had Ivan proposed earlier things might really have turned different. I am thinking of a case of Miles putting the blame on Ivan for something he had absolutely no influence on, just like Miles had nothing to do with Alys and Ilyan's affair, a totally out-of-the-blue gratuitous accusation.

Well, it really only would have changed things had Lady Donna accepted. It was hard to tell from the book whether she would have (though if he'd proposed before Pierre had died, I think it would be a completely different situation). Point taken though.


Back to the quote:

"It's actually your fault [...]" "Oh? And me so... not there." XXX grinned. "When has that ever stopped anyone from blaming you? [...]"

Book, who's talking to who, and what is "your fault" ?

Bonus for a half point : find another instance of a discussion about shifting the blame to another innocent bystander, in another universe. (ok, I'll grant a full point if one points two such instances, but no more - I'm thinking about a precise one, here).

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

Voralfred, I think it's your fault that quotes & questions are so difficult.
One of these days, you'll be punished and get hit by a stray proton beam or ambushed by strange uncharming quarks.

But not today. Happy Easter, all of you.

[Caroline Tredez]

Leetle hint : "XXX" = she

[SPetty]

Now Xxx sounds like Elli. No other guesses, though. Well, maybe BIA, with Elli talking to Miles, but I have no idea what the circumstances might be.

[E Pericoloso Sporgersi]

"It's actually your fault [...]" "Oh? And me so... not there." XXX grinned. "When has that ever stopped anyone from blaming you? [...]"

Book, who's talking to who, and what is "your fault" ?

Bonus for a half point : find another instance of a discussion about shifting the blame to another innocent bystander, in another universe. (ok, I'll grant a full point if one points two such instances, but no more - I'm thinking about a precise one, here).

Negative hint:
I searched for this quote in all the Nexus stories, except in Memory, and I couldn't find it.
Therefore the quote comes from either the planet with 5 gods, the planet without gods, magical Italy or from scrambled Memory.

But I still have no idea who is blaming whom.