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Here some info on the new book:
Dr. Ted Erickson just received his Ph.D. in Mathematics. Ted and his wife, Holly, decide to take a vacation in Belize prior to his starting as a university professor in the fall. After ten years of marriage, they are still deeply in love and now hope to start a family. Their vacation takes them on a journey they never expected, where they discover the future for the world few have contemplated and fewer will believe.
As the codes of the past and present unravel, Ted is driven to find the truth. Ted’s search leads to Dr. Jacobson, an astronomy professor at his own university and then to others, who also hold a piece to the puzzle. Together they develop a mathematical proof of events so horrendous the government does not want the public to know. Someone high in the government is even willing to murder to keep it a secret.
With the help of core supporters, Ted and Holly are able to elude those who want to silence them as they attempt to disseminate their scientifically based predictions and provide for their survival. The chase culminates in a final showdown, that proves too little too late to save much of mankind. The final chapters reveal the horrific fate that mankind faces by not heeding the codes and predictions provided by many past cultures and not interpreting what astronomers already know as fact.
Although full of humor and intriguing adventure in the fiction story, it is the non-fiction elements backed by pages of research and references that prove to be frightful. This fast-paced novel will entertain, but its detailed, scientifically based message could prove to be the most important literary book for the survival of the human race. It is more than a must read. It is a guide for surviving past the year 2012.
The Sixth Sun is an unusual mixture of science, science fiction, action, mystery, romance, humor and intrigue with a potential of unprecedented controversy.
The Sixth Sun is an exciting fast pace adventure thriller. It is a fiction book with five pages of science and other references. It’s the non-fiction that will scare you!
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I read the premisses of this book on the website you suggest.
The point is, in a Fantasy, I am ready to accept any premisses, as crazy as they might be, since this is a Fantasy, anyway.
But the total gravitational pull of all the planets of the solar system is so ridiculously low (and that of Jupiter, anyway, contributes so much more than all the others combined, that any Earth-Jupiter conjunction, which happens every year, plus a few weeks, would have essentially the same effect: none at all) that I really cannot buy this "conspiracy theory". I mean, for the existence of a "conspiracy theory" you don't need a conspiracy to exist, but at least for one to make any semblance of sense!
The point is, in a Fantasy, I am ready to accept any premisses, as crazy as they might be, since this is a Fantasy, anyway.
But the total gravitational pull of all the planets of the solar system is so ridiculously low (and that of Jupiter, anyway, contributes so much more than all the others combined, that any Earth-Jupiter conjunction, which happens every year, plus a few weeks, would have essentially the same effect: none at all) that I really cannot buy this "conspiracy theory". I mean, for the existence of a "conspiracy theory" you don't need a conspiracy to exist, but at least for one to make any semblance of sense!
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We are in talks with several online distributors and a few brick and mortar locations for distribution of the book. We are also looking to select a national distributor to market the book. So currently the only location to buy the book is through the web site.
You can call us using the contact info posted on http://thesixthsun.net/?page_id=64 and talk to a human to get more info about the book and its availability.
You can call us using the contact info posted on http://thesixthsun.net/?page_id=64 and talk to a human to get more info about the book and its availability.
Voralfred: the whole point of conspiracy theories is that they take advantage of well known human tendancies towards ignorance, paranoia, pack (mob) mentality, and deference to authority.
Looking at the sweep of human history, it's depressingly easy they way innumerable people have manipulated the underinformed and undereducated by spinning lies, or drumming up scapegoats in order to grab attention, make common cause against an artificial threat, make money or attract tourism, or seize power in some fashion.
Doomsday scenarios are a common example.
Looking at the sweep of human history, it's depressingly easy they way innumerable people have manipulated the underinformed and undereducated by spinning lies, or drumming up scapegoats in order to grab attention, make common cause against an artificial threat, make money or attract tourism, or seize power in some fashion.
Doomsday scenarios are a common example.
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One of my favorite quotes goes
"Car on peut épuiser le plus fameux trésor
On peut trouver le fond de tout gisement d'or
Mais on atteint jamais, aussi bien qu'on s'y prenne
Le fond toujours fuyant de la bêtise huamin"
"For one can dilapidate the most fabulous treasure
Any gold field can eventually be exhausted
But as well as you may try, you will NEVER reach
The ever deepening bottom of human stupidity"
Well, yes, but the attraction of nine either very minor(Mercury, Venus, Mars) or very distant (Saturn and beyond) having any effect on Earth even when added to Jupiter's larger and totally inefficient one? Who can believe that?
Rosswell's Greys, Heinlein Black Hats, Rupert's power ring, yes, these are meaningful conspiration theories....
But Sixth Sun
"Car on peut épuiser le plus fameux trésor
On peut trouver le fond de tout gisement d'or
Mais on atteint jamais, aussi bien qu'on s'y prenne
Le fond toujours fuyant de la bêtise huamin"
"For one can dilapidate the most fabulous treasure
Any gold field can eventually be exhausted
But as well as you may try, you will NEVER reach
The ever deepening bottom of human stupidity"
Well, yes, but the attraction of nine either very minor(Mercury, Venus, Mars) or very distant (Saturn and beyond) having any effect on Earth even when added to Jupiter's larger and totally inefficient one? Who can believe that?
Rosswell's Greys, Heinlein Black Hats, Rupert's power ring, yes, these are meaningful conspiration theories....
But Sixth Sun
Human is as human does....Animals don't weep, Nine
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I did not read the book, but I did go to the page you gave a link to, and from there to some other link it gave.
Unless that latter page has nothing to do with the book, the idea is that the fact that all the planets are aligned will have an effect on Earth. Now since nothing at all happens whenever the Earth and Jupiter are aligned (every year or so), the additional effect of the other planets will just do nothing more.
Or is the alignment of the planets not the theme of the book? Then what is this page doing there?
And I do know about the following successful conspiracies: Rosswell's Greys, Heinlein's Black Hats and Rupert's ring!
Not only that, but the planets are not even aligned on December 21st, 2012!
Mars is at the Sgr/Cap limit, Jupiter in Tau, Saturn at the Vir/Lib limit, Uranus in Psc, Neptune in Aqr. So who is conspired against? Those who buy this book
Unless that latter page has nothing to do with the book, the idea is that the fact that all the planets are aligned will have an effect on Earth. Now since nothing at all happens whenever the Earth and Jupiter are aligned (every year or so), the additional effect of the other planets will just do nothing more.
Or is the alignment of the planets not the theme of the book? Then what is this page doing there?
And I do know about the following successful conspiracies: Rosswell's Greys, Heinlein's Black Hats and Rupert's ring!
Not only that, but the planets are not even aligned on December 21st, 2012!
Mars is at the Sgr/Cap limit, Jupiter in Tau, Saturn at the Vir/Lib limit, Uranus in Psc, Neptune in Aqr. So who is conspired against? Those who buy this book
Human is as human does....Animals don't weep, Nine
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In 2012, not only is the Earth aligned with Jupiter and all of the other planets and the moon and the Sun, it is also aligned with the Milky Way, which many scientists now believe is a black hole with extreme gravitational pull. There have been significant historical findings that indicate that when this happened 26,000 years ago, there was a shift in the Earth’s axis and poles.
Well this is plainly FALSE.
In late 2012, Jupiter is in Tau, Saturn at the Vir/Lib limit, Uranus in Psc and Neptune in Aqr.
On December 21st, the Sun itself is in Sgr, but not at all near Cap as could naively be expected (as in Astrology, Cap begins December 23rd) but near Oph (that is, above Sco).
This means that the Earth seen from the Sun is in Gem, near the limit with Tau.
So Jupiter and Earth are very roughly aligned, (a better conjunction of Earth with Jupiter happens every year or so; it was better earlier in December than on the 21st) but in a direction rather opposite compared to that of Saturn
Even if one understand "aligned" as "on the same line" rather than "on the same half line" with respect to the sun one have Jupiter (Tau) and the Earth (Gem, but near Tau) vaguely on one direction from the Sun. Saturn at the Vir/Lib is in the other half of the plane, at about 60 degrees from the opposite half-line. Uranus and Neptune are on directions roughly perpendicular to the Sun-Earth-Jupiter approximate half line, making about 30 degrees with respect ot each other.
You can hardly have more dispersion in the heavy planets, except Uranus and Neptune which are not too far from each other (but almost in a perpendicular direction with respect to the Sun-Earth-Jupiter line, and rather opposite to Saturn).
Mars is about the Sgr/Cap limit in late december. Not too bad, only about thirty degrees, from the opposite half-line from Jupiter and Earth. Still not so fantastic. Thirty degrees, a whole astronomical sign, is not what I'd call a "conjunction". However these 30 degrees are on the other side of the relevant half-line that the 60 degrees of Saturn: Saturn and Mars are practically in perpendicular directions: Sgr/Cap limit vs Vir/Lib one!
Maximal dispersion is what I see, except for a vague Earth/Jupiter conjunction (as seen from the Sun), which happens every thirteen months.
Didn't the authors af the book check elementary ephemeride tables?
For those who are not familiar with the Zodiac, use the short hand of a clock:
Jupiter is between 1 and 2, Earth (seen from the Sun) just passed 2, Saturn at 6, Neptune between 10 and 11, Uranus between 11 and 12.
Mars is at 9 as seen from Earth. Not too far from 8, which is opposite from 2 (8 is where the Sun is, seen from the Earth) Contrary to the others which are far enough as to be seen in the same direction from Earth or the Sun, Mars is close enough that the angle will be a bit different. From the Sun, Mars would be even further from 8, between 9 and 10.
As for the black hole: yes it probably exists, and its gravitational pull is not negligible since it keeps the entire solar system in orbit. But measured over distances of a few astronomical units, i.e. the size of the solar system, this pull is totally uniform, because its source is so far away. So it is totally irrelevant where on their orbits the planets are, the pull is always the same. So it keeps the entire solar system in orbit, yes, but it does not cause any differential effect.
Look at tides: the gravitational pull of the Sun is much larger than that of the Moon; the former keeps the Earth in orbit, the latter causes just minor perturbances. But the Sun contributes to the tides much less than the Moon (about 4 times less). Why? Because the Moon is close to the Earth (380.000 kms), so its small gravitational pull varies significantly on a Earth diameter of more than 12.000 kms. The much larger pull from the Sun almost 400 times farther, varies much less, hence smaller tidal effect. The pull from the black hole cannot create tidal effects on the size of the solar system, much less on the size of Earth (even though it does keep the entire solar systme in orbit). It is significant, but uniform on distances so ridiculously small compared to the distance from its source.
In late 2012, Jupiter is in Tau, Saturn at the Vir/Lib limit, Uranus in Psc and Neptune in Aqr.
On December 21st, the Sun itself is in Sgr, but not at all near Cap as could naively be expected (as in Astrology, Cap begins December 23rd) but near Oph (that is, above Sco).
This means that the Earth seen from the Sun is in Gem, near the limit with Tau.
So Jupiter and Earth are very roughly aligned, (a better conjunction of Earth with Jupiter happens every year or so; it was better earlier in December than on the 21st) but in a direction rather opposite compared to that of Saturn
Even if one understand "aligned" as "on the same line" rather than "on the same half line" with respect to the sun one have Jupiter (Tau) and the Earth (Gem, but near Tau) vaguely on one direction from the Sun. Saturn at the Vir/Lib is in the other half of the plane, at about 60 degrees from the opposite half-line. Uranus and Neptune are on directions roughly perpendicular to the Sun-Earth-Jupiter approximate half line, making about 30 degrees with respect ot each other.
You can hardly have more dispersion in the heavy planets, except Uranus and Neptune which are not too far from each other (but almost in a perpendicular direction with respect to the Sun-Earth-Jupiter line, and rather opposite to Saturn).
Mars is about the Sgr/Cap limit in late december. Not too bad, only about thirty degrees, from the opposite half-line from Jupiter and Earth. Still not so fantastic. Thirty degrees, a whole astronomical sign, is not what I'd call a "conjunction". However these 30 degrees are on the other side of the relevant half-line that the 60 degrees of Saturn: Saturn and Mars are practically in perpendicular directions: Sgr/Cap limit vs Vir/Lib one!
Maximal dispersion is what I see, except for a vague Earth/Jupiter conjunction (as seen from the Sun), which happens every thirteen months.
Didn't the authors af the book check elementary ephemeride tables?
For those who are not familiar with the Zodiac, use the short hand of a clock:
Jupiter is between 1 and 2, Earth (seen from the Sun) just passed 2, Saturn at 6, Neptune between 10 and 11, Uranus between 11 and 12.
Mars is at 9 as seen from Earth. Not too far from 8, which is opposite from 2 (8 is where the Sun is, seen from the Earth) Contrary to the others which are far enough as to be seen in the same direction from Earth or the Sun, Mars is close enough that the angle will be a bit different. From the Sun, Mars would be even further from 8, between 9 and 10.
As for the black hole: yes it probably exists, and its gravitational pull is not negligible since it keeps the entire solar system in orbit. But measured over distances of a few astronomical units, i.e. the size of the solar system, this pull is totally uniform, because its source is so far away. So it is totally irrelevant where on their orbits the planets are, the pull is always the same. So it keeps the entire solar system in orbit, yes, but it does not cause any differential effect.
Look at tides: the gravitational pull of the Sun is much larger than that of the Moon; the former keeps the Earth in orbit, the latter causes just minor perturbances. But the Sun contributes to the tides much less than the Moon (about 4 times less). Why? Because the Moon is close to the Earth (380.000 kms), so its small gravitational pull varies significantly on a Earth diameter of more than 12.000 kms. The much larger pull from the Sun almost 400 times farther, varies much less, hence smaller tidal effect. The pull from the black hole cannot create tidal effects on the size of the solar system, much less on the size of Earth (even though it does keep the entire solar systme in orbit). It is significant, but uniform on distances so ridiculously small compared to the distance from its source.
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Voralfred: I'm sure you meant to say milky way galaxy, rather than solar system.Voralfred wrote:As for the black hole: yes it probably exists, and its gravitational pull is not negligible since it keeps the entire solar system in orbit.
Also, to sixthsun: the black hole at the center of our galaxy is not solely responsible for keeping the milkyway together ... it would not simply fly apart if it were not there. Current science does suggest however that it does contribute to the milkyway's shape, which cannot be fully accounted for by the visible stars detected thus far alone. Without the back hole, the galaxy would likely be spread out more, and be rotating more slowly.
Brad: I'm not a specialist in that particular branch of physics, nor am I a teacher. I am a physicist, with a general physics background. But professionally I am highly specialized in a completely different field, and I have a pure research (no teaching) position. I just looked out the positions of the outer planets on December 21st, 2012, just to know. And was disappointed to see that they are not even roughly aligned.
Not that it would have made any difference: Jupiter so much dominates everything else (largest of all giant gas planets, and twice closer than the next closest one) that whatever would happen when all planets are aligned would happen every year when Jupiter and Earth are in conjunction.
Of course the black hole, together with the remainder of the mass of the galaxy (as you quite correctly pointed out), is responsible for the entire gravitational structure of the galaxy, i.e. the fact that every part of it revolves around its center (not as a solid, of course, with a radius-dependent period). When I said "the entire solar system", I did not mean "just the solar system". My intent was: the gravitational pull in the region of space where the solar system is at any instant of time, is strong enough to keep it (just as any other part of the Milky Way) in orbit around the center. But this pull is, for all practical purposes (with a variation of less than one part in a million) uniform over the entire solar system. So the latter moves "as a whole", there is no interaction between whatever happens within it (gravitational pull of the Sun on the planets and the planets between themselves) on the one hand, and the global effect of the gravitational pull of the Galaxy (central black hole plus all the other stars), on the other hand, because the latter is uniform over the entire solar system.
Not that it would have made any difference: Jupiter so much dominates everything else (largest of all giant gas planets, and twice closer than the next closest one) that whatever would happen when all planets are aligned would happen every year when Jupiter and Earth are in conjunction.
Of course the black hole, together with the remainder of the mass of the galaxy (as you quite correctly pointed out), is responsible for the entire gravitational structure of the galaxy, i.e. the fact that every part of it revolves around its center (not as a solid, of course, with a radius-dependent period). When I said "the entire solar system", I did not mean "just the solar system". My intent was: the gravitational pull in the region of space where the solar system is at any instant of time, is strong enough to keep it (just as any other part of the Milky Way) in orbit around the center. But this pull is, for all practical purposes (with a variation of less than one part in a million) uniform over the entire solar system. So the latter moves "as a whole", there is no interaction between whatever happens within it (gravitational pull of the Sun on the planets and the planets between themselves) on the one hand, and the global effect of the gravitational pull of the Galaxy (central black hole plus all the other stars), on the other hand, because the latter is uniform over the entire solar system.
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If anything, a very cursory look at the positions of the planets in the near future give a much more interesting situation. In late September 2010:
Jupiter and Uranus are in Psc not far from the limit with Aqr (11 o'clock)
One can pick at that time the best day for Earth as seen from the Sun in late september.
Neptune is in Cap, but near its limit with Aqr (10 o'clock) so only barely more than one sign away
Saturn is in Vir, but not very far from Leo so just beyond 5 o'clock, roughly "aligned" on the opposite half-line (about where the Sun is at that time of the year, as seen from the Earth ; remember that the Astrology says the Sun goes from Vir to Lib at that time, but in fact it goes from Leo to Vir)
Even Mars and Venus are in Vir at the time (for Venus, this does not mean much; Venus is an "internal" planet, and is always seen in the general neighborhood of the Sun, when seen from the Earth. I did not bother trying to compute where it is with respect to the Earth, as seen from the Sun.)
So most major planets and the Sun are on a same full line (Saturn, and also Mars, on the other side, with respect to the Sun, than Earth, Jupiter and Uranus, which are roughly on the same half-line, with Neptune only about 30 degrees away.
Muuuuuuuuuuch better than in December 2012!
I am sure one can get a better fit within a couple of centuries, in the past or the future. No need to wait for 26.000 years! After all I only looked barely more two years before the fatidic December 21st, 2012!
Mind you, I am not predicting the end of the world in 2010. But all preparations for 2012 better be ready more than 2 years in advance....
Edit: just found it:
In mid-january 1990:
Mars, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are in Sgr
So is the Sun as seen from Earth
Venus is in retrograde motion (Cap on Jan 1st, Sgr on Feb 1) which means it crosses the Sun-Earth line sometime that month.
Jupiter is in Gem, exactly in the opposite direction, that is where Earth is as seen from the Sun
So all major bodies of the solar system are on a line, Earth , Venus and Jupiter on one side of the Sun, Mars, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune on the other side.
I don't remember any major disaster around that time
Jupiter and Uranus are in Psc not far from the limit with Aqr (11 o'clock)
One can pick at that time the best day for Earth as seen from the Sun in late september.
Neptune is in Cap, but near its limit with Aqr (10 o'clock) so only barely more than one sign away
Saturn is in Vir, but not very far from Leo so just beyond 5 o'clock, roughly "aligned" on the opposite half-line (about where the Sun is at that time of the year, as seen from the Earth ; remember that the Astrology says the Sun goes from Vir to Lib at that time, but in fact it goes from Leo to Vir)
Even Mars and Venus are in Vir at the time (for Venus, this does not mean much; Venus is an "internal" planet, and is always seen in the general neighborhood of the Sun, when seen from the Earth. I did not bother trying to compute where it is with respect to the Earth, as seen from the Sun.)
So most major planets and the Sun are on a same full line (Saturn, and also Mars, on the other side, with respect to the Sun, than Earth, Jupiter and Uranus, which are roughly on the same half-line, with Neptune only about 30 degrees away.
Muuuuuuuuuuch better than in December 2012!
I am sure one can get a better fit within a couple of centuries, in the past or the future. No need to wait for 26.000 years! After all I only looked barely more two years before the fatidic December 21st, 2012!
Mind you, I am not predicting the end of the world in 2010. But all preparations for 2012 better be ready more than 2 years in advance....
Edit: just found it:
In mid-january 1990:
Mars, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are in Sgr
So is the Sun as seen from Earth
Venus is in retrograde motion (Cap on Jan 1st, Sgr on Feb 1) which means it crosses the Sun-Earth line sometime that month.
Jupiter is in Gem, exactly in the opposite direction, that is where Earth is as seen from the Sun
So all major bodies of the solar system are on a line, Earth , Venus and Jupiter on one side of the Sun, Mars, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune on the other side.
I don't remember any major disaster around that time
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Voralfred: Thanks for all the insight, though I don't understand half of what you are saying, but I do understand that you believe (with the help of the location of planets, etc.) that December 2012 is NOT Doomsday!
Question (if you have time or the inclination). I know that not all of our calendars on earth are the same. I believe there is an 'old' and a 'new' calendar and some places recently celebrated the new millenium. So, is it possible that in December 2012 of the 'old' calendar the planets line up better than the do for the 'new' calendar?
Question (if you have time or the inclination). I know that not all of our calendars on earth are the same. I believe there is an 'old' and a 'new' calendar and some places recently celebrated the new millenium. So, is it possible that in December 2012 of the 'old' calendar the planets line up better than the do for the 'new' calendar?
There are of course many many calendars in the world, but most of them use different names for the months and completely different starting points for the years. I was not aware of a recent millenium celebration, but I don't claim to know everything. But it could be a different millenium, not necessarily year 2000. Was it? Who were the people celebrating?
The only other calender that uses the same months that I know of (there could be others, but I don't know them) is the Julian Calender (or "Old Style") which follows our Gregorian ("New Style") calender with a 13 days delay (till March 14th 2100 Gregorian, which will be February 29th Julian, after which March 15th Gregorian will only be March 1st Julian with a 14 days delay - the year 2100 is not a leap year for the Gregorian calender).
So December 21st 2012 Julian would be our January 3rd 2013. Just 13 days won't change much for the outer planets. Earth will have advanced about a half-sign, putting it even further from Jupiter (I did say the conjunction was better earlier in December). Mars would have advanced, but less than that, bringing it deeper into Cap, further away from the half-line opposite to Jupiter, but the half line opposite to Earth would have caught up a little bit. Still, it would not be a true opposition. And Mars is a very small body anyway.
Except from the case of January 1990, I did not discuss Venus because the direction it is seen from the Earth is usually not a reliable indication of its position with respect to the Earth as seen from the Sun, and I certainly am not going to do complicated calculations.... But caught just at a time of retrograde motion, then one knows it is precisely between the Sun and the Earth.
The only other calender that uses the same months that I know of (there could be others, but I don't know them) is the Julian Calender (or "Old Style") which follows our Gregorian ("New Style") calender with a 13 days delay (till March 14th 2100 Gregorian, which will be February 29th Julian, after which March 15th Gregorian will only be March 1st Julian with a 14 days delay - the year 2100 is not a leap year for the Gregorian calender).
So December 21st 2012 Julian would be our January 3rd 2013. Just 13 days won't change much for the outer planets. Earth will have advanced about a half-sign, putting it even further from Jupiter (I did say the conjunction was better earlier in December). Mars would have advanced, but less than that, bringing it deeper into Cap, further away from the half-line opposite to Jupiter, but the half line opposite to Earth would have caught up a little bit. Still, it would not be a true opposition. And Mars is a very small body anyway.
Except from the case of January 1990, I did not discuss Venus because the direction it is seen from the Earth is usually not a reliable indication of its position with respect to the Earth as seen from the Sun, and I certainly am not going to do complicated calculations.... But caught just at a time of retrograde motion, then one knows it is precisely between the Sun and the Earth.
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I was thinking of the Ethopian Calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar
They are roughly 8 1/2 years behind Americans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar
They are roughly 8 1/2 years behind Americans.
rip8fan1 wrote:I was thinking of the Ethopian Calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_calendar
They are roughly 8 1/2 years behind Americans.
Thanks for the link. This is interesting. This calendar is related to the Julian one. But the names of the months are different, and thy don't start exactly on the same days as the Julian months. So "December 21st 2012" in the Sixth Sun book can hardly be understood as Tahsas 21st, 2012, Amharic, which itself would be something like Gregorian December 31st, 2019 or January 1st, 2020, if I read the fine print correctly.
But for the sake of the argument, on that day:
Jupiter and Saturn are in Sgr, and so in the Sun as seen from the Earth.
But Neptune is in Aqr, two signs (60 degrees) away, and Uranus in Ari, four signs (120 degrees) away.
Mars in in Lib, just opposite to Ari.
Pretty large dispersion I would say. A bit better than on Gregorian December 21st, 2012, since at least both Saturn and Jupiter are on a same line with the Sun and Earth (both on the same side of the Sun, Earth alone on the other half line), but Uranus and Neptune (and even Mars) are far away.
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There's nothing wrong with advertising a book of pseudo-fiction, as long as one does not knowingly portray the fiction as fact. If the book is clearly labeled somewhere as "fiction", so as not to confuse the reader, I see no problem.
So, my question for sixsuns is this: do you, personally, believe the science in this book is factual, or are you just doing your part to help market a potentially gripping book of pseudo-science (ala Chariots of the Gods and The DaVinci Code) ?
There's nothing wrong with either position ... I'm just curious as to which one is in play here.
So, my question for sixsuns is this: do you, personally, believe the science in this book is factual, or are you just doing your part to help market a potentially gripping book of pseudo-science (ala Chariots of the Gods and The DaVinci Code) ?
There's nothing wrong with either position ... I'm just curious as to which one is in play here.
Well, there is something wrong about advertising pseudo-science as fact.Brad wrote:There's nothing wrong with advertising a book of pseudo-fiction, as long as one does not knowingly portray the fiction as fact.
(...)
So, my question for sixsuns is this: do you, personally, believe the science in this book is factual, or are you just doing your part to help market a potentially gripping book of pseudo-science
(...)
There's nothing wrong with either position ...
sixsuns just posted the blurb on the book website. This blurb does advertise the quality of the fiction
which is it right (not having read the book, I won't argue with that)This fast-paced novel will entertain,
but also its scientific value
which, besides the totally ridiculous claim that the combined gravitational pull of the planets can cause a sudden shift to Earth's axis (that the extremely slow and regular rotation of Earth's axis called "precession of the equinoxes", mostly due to the Earth being an oblate sheroid rather than a prefect sphere, is somewhat influenced by the pull of the planets is true, but the presence of all the planets in the same region of the sky won't accelerate it in any measurable way), what really angers me is that the book is supposed to containbut its detailed, scientifically based message could prove to be the most important literary book for the survival of the human race.
but did not even casually check the fact that the planets are widely spread all over the sky on that day. I mean, it took me just a few minutes to find two occasions (one past, in 1990, one future, in 2010) with better alignment!non-fiction elements backed by pages of research and references
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Searching for "Planets Aligned" in google led me to this link here:
http://www.exitmundi.nl/Aligment.htm
I don't pretend to understand fully your descriptions vorAlfred, BUT, the writer of this page claims that a significant alignment happened in May of 2000. The Earth is still rolling on... The axis hasn't tilted further.
On this topic though - a planetary alignment was a major part of the premise in Farmer in the Sky I think the results of that alignment were far more likely than any kind of doomsday scenario for Earth. It simply caused major earthquakes which knocked out some terraforming plants - causing a massive super-freeze. HOWEVER - those earthquakes took place on Ganymede, a celestial body much more susceptible to gravitational influences by virtue of it's mass than Earth... [It is approximately ½ the mass of Mercury]
http://www.exitmundi.nl/Aligment.htm
I don't pretend to understand fully your descriptions vorAlfred, BUT, the writer of this page claims that a significant alignment happened in May of 2000. The Earth is still rolling on... The axis hasn't tilted further.
On this topic though - a planetary alignment was a major part of the premise in Farmer in the Sky I think the results of that alignment were far more likely than any kind of doomsday scenario for Earth. It simply caused major earthquakes which knocked out some terraforming plants - causing a massive super-freeze. HOWEVER - those earthquakes took place on Ganymede, a celestial body much more susceptible to gravitational influences by virtue of it's mass than Earth... [It is approximately ½ the mass of Mercury]
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Is that failure comes as a complete surprise
And is not preceded by a period of worry or depression
Is that failure comes as a complete surprise
And is not preceded by a period of worry or depression